Aoun: After Dialogue Statement, Govt. Must Control Security in North, Bekaa
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Free Patriotic Movement leader MP Michel Aoun on Tuesday called on the government to address the situation in the Bekaa and the North and to “take control of security” there, following the “Baabda Declaration” agreed by the members of the national dialogue committee on Monday.
“We announced that the outcome of dialogue was positive given that everyone agreed on that and we hope everyone will abide by its resolutions,” Aoun said after the weekly meeting of the Change and Reform parliamentary bloc in Rabiyeh.
“We must pay attention that there is a national pact and a declaration that we sent to the U.N. and we must abide by it,” he added.
Aoun warned that weapons in the North and the Bekaa are “violating the sovereignty of Lebanon and Syria.”
“If we want to disassociate ourselves from what's going in in Syria, we must pay attention to what's going on in Akkar, Tripoli and the Bekaa,” he said.
Aoun noted that some 400,000 people live in Tripoli, saying “the government must choose between being on the side of gunmen or on the side of citizens.”
“We must control the foreign presence on our territory and the security agencies -- the (Internal Security Forces’) Intelligence Bureau, the General Security and the army must shoulder this responsibility,” Aoun said.
He called on authorities to pay attention to the latest incidents on the border with Syria, revealing will raise the issue “in depth” during the next dialogue session.
“During dialogue, (ex-PM Fouad) Saniora said he wants to disarm Hizbullah and I asked him about the alternative and he said ‘the army,’ so I didn't answer him back. The question is whether the army can perform this mission given its current capabilities,” Aoun added.
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12 June 2012, 17:19
Aoun: During dialogue Saniora said he wants to disarm Hizbullah and I asked him about the alternative and he said the army, so I didn't answer him back. The question is whether the army can perform this mission given its current capabilities.
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12 June 2012, 17:16
Aoun: We must pay attention to the incidents on the border and I will raise the issue in depth at the dialogue table.
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12 June 2012, 17:08
Aoun: We must control the foreign presence on our territory and the security agencies, the Intelligence Bureau, the General Security and the army must shoulder this responsibility.
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12 June 2012, 17:08
Aoun: Some 400,000 people live in Tripoli and the government must choose between being on the side of gunmen or on the side of citizens.
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12 June 2012, 17:06
Aoun: Weapons in the North and the Bekaa are violating the sovereignty of Lebanon and Syria. If we want to disassociate ourselves from what's going in in Syria, we must pay attention to what's going on in Akkar, Tripoli and the Bekaa.
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12 June 2012, 17:06
Aoun: We must pay attention that there is a national pact and a declaration that we sent to the U.N. and we must abide by it.
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12 June 2012, 17:05
FPM leader MP Michel Aoun after the weekly meeting of the Change and Reform bloc in Rabiyeh: We announced that the outcome of dialogue was positive given that everyone agreed on that and we hope everyone will abide by its resolutions.
12 June 2012, 17:16
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Another order for General Aoun Chicken à l'Orange coming up, chop chop. No tip, commision to Bassil.
12 June 2012, 17:45
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Aoun: Weapons in the North, South, Beirut, Jabal and the Bekaa are violating the sovereignty of Lebanon.
This time he is right on the money. Wayh to go General.
12 June 2012, 18:34
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"Clashes with machine guns erupted in Dahiyeh" I love the smell of protecting the sovereignty of Lebanon in the morning.
WOUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
haydar haydar haydar one two three four jump swing jump haydar haydar haydar hop swing hop ....
12 June 2012, 19:33
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"hezbollah's arms protect the sovereignty of lebanon" Freaking brainwashed moron...
12 June 2012, 20:25
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"Hezbollah has prolonged the time of occupation" - Michel Aoun 2002
www.generalaoun.org/aoun-mtv090402.pdf
12 June 2012, 21:06
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This may have been true throughout Israeli occupation, but I'm not sure it still applies today.
I personally don't feel threatened from HA's arms, but alot of people do, and it is this fragmentation among Lebanese society that is dangerous, and HA's arms have a big role in that. So in the end, one could argue that HA's arms actually destabilize Lebanon because of how other sects interpret them holding onto weapons.
13 June 2012, 09:06
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protect the sovereignty of the criminals, nothing else. Keep your propaganda going, none believes your lies
14 June 2012, 17:36
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blah blah blah blah blah... now stand on one leg and hop for 30 seconds. Man seriously you sound like a brainwashed extremist preaching anti israeli BS. this is the same one line justification we hear from you lot over and over. You want to defend the palestinians go to gaza and fight the cause. As for Israel, their aggression against Lebanon has be IN RETALIATION FOR, your hezb's AGGRESSION.
Perhaps you should now start using the OIL EXPLORATION argument hussouny made a few weeks back for the resistance's cause.
12 June 2012, 17:46
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عون: السلاح في الشمال والبقاع أمر يمس بسيادة لبنان
didnt hear him saying al da7yeh stupid fkin moran
12 June 2012, 17:49
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he is forgetting to talk about the missiles in kesrwan, jbeil, bilfayah, batroun belonging to hizbushaitan. maybe he cannot see them?
12 June 2012, 17:53
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Ta-ta-ta-ta. kilona lil watan.... It's the Tuesday night show with a Special guest -evaded from the Paris mental hospital- Der General, Michel Aoun.
Sit back and relax. Don't forget the popcorn!
12 June 2012, 19:31
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Your a real class act there motormouth....aren't you supposed to be out playing with your alias FT in a mine field. Nice!
12 June 2012, 18:16
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right now, there's lots of gun fire in south al da7yeh, 3il2anin bi ba3ed 2 families, aw mfakro fire works mr psycho ma bye7ke 3anno wala 3an l weapons there
12 June 2012, 18:26
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the armed clashes in dahieh are just thugs shooting at thugs. no worries and the army should not intervene as it is outside lebanon :)
12 June 2012, 19:38
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mareed. A true patriot that ran away like Arafat did before him. A patriot that wouldn't die for his country. Yeah, I like your definition of patriotism. And a lowlife would say that Hariri Juior did the same, but Hariri lost his father to the killers and resists the killers in any way he can. Look at Jumblatt and Aoun, they linked and sealed their fate with the one of the Assad regime... patriots indeed.
13 June 2012, 00:42
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@ gcb1: No offense taken as you are as civil as I am. The only "claim" I made is a personal opinion that HA philosophy is unlikely to change from its basic theocratic underpinning which derives directly from Khomeini's Wilayat al Faqeeh proposition. You are correct of course in that HA and Iran did spend $$ to improve Shi'a's lot and I alluded to that when I said that until then not even some of Shi'a's own politicians ventured to help them improve their lot.
We disagree about the degree of pragmatism HA has shown. In my opinion, no philosophy with theocratic underpinning is capable of making the "pragmatic" leaps I expect of it - be it Moslem or Christian. I completely espouse Lenin's observation that "religion is the opiate of the masses". I also completely believe in the West's separation between Church (in this case Mosque) and state. HA is not likely to adopt those principles any time soon.
12 June 2012, 19:41
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Assad is executing the "Kissinger Plan" of small confessional states. He is planning his retreat to the Alawi Mountains and so his shabiha are busy ethnically clensing Syrian territory of Sunni on the eastern approaches to the nascent state, along the Homs, Rashtan, Hama, Idlib line. In order to insulate the Alawite state from the Sunni of Tripoli and north Lebanon, Assad has called on his retainers in Lebanon, Nasrallah who has had this "dialogue" meeting for the sole purpose of carrying out this Assad directive of turning the Lebanese army on its own people as has the Syrian army been turned on its people.
12 June 2012, 19:48
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Thus the lie is in plain view. Suliman has said that he wants to keep Lebanon away from the crisis in Syria and Mikati has said this and so has Aoun. The purpose however, is diametrically opposed to the statement. The purpose is to incorporate the Lebanese Army and state into the Assad Regime's survival strategy by employing the Lebanese Army and security forces in this way.
Hezbollah which is of course in the south and the Bekaa and is in no position to execute the strategy without the cover of the state and the use of Lebanese State institutions.
It is a shame for this to be taking place. It is a shame to stereotype the Sunni of the north, Tripoli, Akkar and Hermel as all some sort of radical mindless salafi who are not fit for anything except the blade to their neck or bullets to their heads administered by the security forces who are charged with protecting them.
I hope the Lebanese wake up to this and do not fall for the trick.
12 June 2012, 19:49
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@karim_mi you mean that Aoun is the definition of a parrot, not of a patriot.
12 June 2012, 20:06
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@ karim_m1: Aoun may have once been thought of as a patriot by some myself included. But once he abandoned his ideals and philosophy that made folks like me follow him then, he betrayed the very essence of what makes a patriot a patriot. Don't even think of giving me this politics makes for strange bed fellows like a friend of mine once said. This is bull, because while strange alliances are made for political ends, true patriots do not abandon core ideals and philosophy to make such alliances. HA certainly didn't. Aoun has proved himself nothing but a small politician not worthy of my support ever again.
12 June 2012, 20:11
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And lest there be any doubt in anyone's mind, just because HA stuck to its ideals and values does not make them patriots in my book because theirs is a foreign set of ideals and philosophy totally alien to the Lebanese culture as most of us understand it. But, give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, however misguided they still stick to their views. For Lebanon's sake one hopes that one day they may change or the Lebanese Shi'a in time will see them for what they are servants of a foreign state alien to Lebanese aspirations.
12 June 2012, 21:52
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@ gcb1: Absolutely! They may claim that they no longer dream of a wilayat al faqeeh but a leopard never changes its spots to say nothing of their umbilical chord being indisputably bound to Iran for good. To be honest all Lebanese should admit the fact that the Shi'a used to be the down trodden (mahroumeen) of the Lebanese society, even their own did not help pull them up. Iran exploited this via HA which helped give the Lebanese Shi'a the feeling of pride which they deserve anyway. However, HA style is like that of Hitler's that gave the German's a feeling of pride for a while until its true nature was revealed. One can only hope the Lebanese Shi'a will soon experience a similar awakening.
12 June 2012, 22:36
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You make bold claims, and, through my extensive research during my time studying political science in university, I am unsure if they are facts.
You are right that they do have ideological ties to Iran. Its senior members were taught in the same or similar schools of thought than the mullahs in Iran. You claim though that HA has only given Shi3as a sense of pride, but, admittedly, HA has provided social and financial services have given many of its supporters a chance to succeed financially.
Finally, although in 1980s they wanted an Islamic state, this is simply not the case today. Many of its senior members (eg Subhi Tufayli) in 1980s left the group when it believed that HA, under Abbas Moussawi and Hassan Nasrallah, has become too pragmatic. I can give you my sources if you request.
12 June 2012, 22:37
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Remember, I am not saying I support them, I'm just unsure if your claims are facts. No offense intended.
13 June 2012, 00:43
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@ gcb1: No offense taken as you are as civil as I am. The only "claim" I made is a personal opinion that HA philosophy is unlikely to change from its basic theocratic underpinning which derives directly from Khomeini's Wilayat al Faqeeh proposition. You are correct of course in that HA and Iran did spend $$ to improve Shi'a's lot and I alluded to that when I said that until then not even some of Shi'a's own politicians ventured to help them improve their lot.
We disagree about the degree of pragmatism HA has shown. In my opinion, no philosophy with theocratic underpinning is capable of making the "pragmatic" leaps I expect of it - be it Moslem or Christian. I completely espouse Lenin's observation that "religion is the opiate of the masses". I also completely believe in the West's separation between Church (in this case Mosque) and state. HA is not likely to adopt those principles any time soon.
13 June 2012, 01:03
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@gcb1: Last, but not least, HA's pushing Lebanon and the Lebanese to "liberate Palestine" is totally unacceptable to me. By no means am I insinuating that the Palestinians don't have a valid cause and rights, but I don't believe that it should be incumbent on the Lebanese alone to liberate Palestine as we are not the principals. HA's insistence on this alienates me and many like me. They liberated the south and for that we are thankful but since then their arrogance knows no bounds. Witness Ra'ad's attitude during the round table discussion.
I, and many like me, want to live in a Lebanon that sports an open minded society full of energy and life. A Lebanon that aspires to reach its full potential and rank high amid the nations of the world. One with freedom of speech and thought. And where women and men and work hand in hand to uplift society by exercising their collective intellect to rival the best worldwide.
Alas, I don't this Lebanon emerging from the bosom of HA's ideology.
13 June 2012, 02:32
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@lebnanfirst:Thus to me, before we even talk about arms and weapons, let us keep emphasizing the importance of unity. If we are united, then perhaps everyone would be more willing to unite around the army, the one state institution that unites the population. But until sectarianism is involved our SOCIETY also, taking away Hezbollah's weapons will not do much to help people alleviate out of poverty and climb up the ladder without needing a "wasta".
Politicians, instead of bickering about who's stealing money and who's not democratic and who's serving foreign interests, should start finding ways to get people out of poverty and improve Lebanon's economic conditions. But when was the last time that happened? An M8 and M14 governments have done nothing to tackle these problems, all they do is accuse eachother. And yet, the Lebanese continue to follow them. This is what disgusts me.
13 June 2012, 05:06
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@gcb1: for the most part I think we are agreed. The tenet of finding common grounds to start from in our way to unity is a logical approach and the army being the focal point is good. My concern is that throughout M8 has promised and then retracted the instances where that happened are known leading up to the Doha agreement. That on top of HA continued insistence that it will never disarm does not make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. If HA were to at least agree in Principle that they are willing to fold their arm into the LAF within some reasonable period of time and equally reasonable circumstances then I can feel hopeful. However, this insistence on the people, army and mouqawameh does not work for me.
I need a clear unequivocal signal from HA that they are ready to put Lebanon and Lebanese best interest above all else. Short of that alla ykoun bi 3anina.
12 June 2012, 21:50
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Mouwaten el Wateh IE:Capullo is on charge.
Que Pasa en el Da7ye Capullo?
Any news from down under FT?Hopefully they will turn el Da7yeh again into a parking lot.
I would not feel sorry.
13 June 2012, 00:18
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@texas, Did I say that the Lebanese Army had complied?? Really, read the post. This is the attempt, the effort to get a consensus for the LAF to "crack down" on the border incidents in the north. Do you not consider that there are elements in the LAF who have split loyalties between the government and the Hezbollah?? Come on, man, its a real problem and a reason that the M14 could not call in the Army in force on May 7 because they feared a split in the Army. Hezbollah has people all in it. This is not a LAF policy, and you are right, the LAF is professional in every way, but it does have these elements in it, witness the attempt to stir problems by killing the Sheikh and the shooting of the Maronite guy up in the north. I have family who are LAF and they told me that something was amiss in both incidents. The SOP for a vehicle who ignores a checkpoint is to fire over the top and if that does not stop the vehicle, then you shoot out the tires. You do not shoot to kill.
13 June 2012, 00:20
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Now if you're going to haul off and start calling people names like Salafist and the sort, brother, read the posts before you carelessly throw such words around. Maronites, last I looked are not Salafist. Not even most Sunni in Lebanon are salafists.
The point is rather simple, Assad is calling in his Lebanese ally card to help him with this Alawite Mountain project. They have complied with this dialogue thing to build a "consensus" around the idea of the LAF "securing" the northern border. Now, whether the LAF command executes such a plan, well that is a whole other matter.
13 June 2012, 00:41
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And one other thing, with Hezbollah in total control of the government and all state institutions, do you think, Texas, that there are any red lines that Hezbollah would draw around any institution of state when it comes to warding off a threat, real or perceived against its position in Lebanon? Do you think that Hezbollah would spare corrupting the Lebanese Army? Look at what they have done to the Lebanese Banking System. They have so flooded the banks with US dollars secured from drug and diamond struggling as well as opening it to Syrian functionaries that the institution of Lebanese banking that survived the civil war is now suspect.
Sorry, but I do not trust Hezbollah to do anything but to relentlessly pursue their narrow interests at the cost of any and everything else.
13 June 2012, 01:03
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And while it is completely legitmate for the LAF to interdict arms smuggling into Syria; and to stop fighters from using the Lebanese border as a means to access Syria as a combatant, how legitimate is it for the LAF to capture Syrian Opposition refugees and return them to Syria for certain execution? What about rights of asylum that are extended to persecuted people who face certain death upon being returned to their country of origin? Is this serving the interests of Lebanon or of the Assad Regime?
13 June 2012, 14:13
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right now, there's lots of gun fire in south al da7yeh, 3il2anin bi ba3ed 2 families, aw mfakro fire works mr psycho ma bye7ke 3anno wala 3an l weapons there
mowatin it would be better to answer why ma bye7ke 3anna ur psycho aoun, and take it easy ma t3assib ktir , walla t3mol marajel 3al net, i would love to see u face to face telling me this(:
14 June 2012, 17:49
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Aoun is the definition of a patriot?? Champ, aoun is the definition of mentally challenge, delusional, egotistical, pshycopathical ( I'm sure Sami could help out here with a few more :)..) & the only thing aoun has in common with a patriot is that he should be blown up by one.. Aoun resisted the Syrians DURING their occupation of Lebanon.whre from the french embassey or far far away in his waterfront french mansion while the aoun supporters were in the streets protesting and jailed for their freech speech. You are kidding, aoun resisted everyone during his occupation of lebanon causing thousands of christian lives, even batrak sfeir or bkirki weren't spared.
The Lebanese are reliant upon him to protect the country's dignity, I wouldn'y rely on him to take out the trash, don't kidd yourself with that BS it sounds very similar to the hezb propaganda leaflets they spread in sunny dahyei..
