Hamadeh Snaps Back at Suleiman, Says 'Alternative' to Dialogue is Salvation Cabinet
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Opposition MP Marwan Hamadeh said Wednesday the formation of a salvation government is the first of three conditions set by the March 14 alliance to return to the national dialogue table.
President Michel Suleiman “knows what's the alternative to the resumption of dialogue,” Hamadeh told Voice of Lebanon radio (100.5).
“The first lies in forming a neutral cabinet that salvages the country from its crisis, the second is to abide by the Baabda Declaration that was violated by the other party (March 8) and the third is to hand over the suspects in ex-Premier Rafik Hariri's assassination,” the lawmaker stated.
His remark came a day after Suleiman urged the different parties to return to the all-party talks.
“If they (the opposition) refuse, then they should offer alternatives,” the president suggested.
The pan-Arab daily al-Hayat reported on Sunday that Suleiman has voiced his disappointment with the failure of his initiatives that are aimed at persuading the various rival political parties to return to the national dialogue.
It quoted his visitors as saying that he will likely propose alternate initiatives to lure the opposition back to the all-party talks.
The March 14 alliance announced its boycott of the dialogue and government related activities after it blamed the cabinet for the Oct. 19 assassination of Internal Security Forces Intelligence Bureau head Brigadier General Wissam al-Hasan.
The coalition also accused the Hizbullah-led March 8 majority alliance of violating the Baabda Declaration, which calls for keeping Lebanon away from the policy of regional and international conflicts, after sending an Iranian built drone to Israel on Oct. 6.
In the Baabda Declaration, rival leaders agreed to continue studying ways to implement decisions agreed upon at previous dialogue sessions, including commitment to the Special Tribunal for Lebanon which is set to try Hariri's suspected assassins.
In June last year, the court issued warrants for Hizbullah members Mustafa Badreddine, Salim Ayyash, Hussein Oneissi, and Assad Sabra, and Interpol has also issued a "red notice" for the suspects.
But none of them have been arrested.
26 December 2012, 08:51
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what is the game being played by al rahi and Suleiman?
they know exactly what are the pre conditions to attending any dialogue.
dialogue is useless as long as m8 is just doing the opposite of what is being agreed upon during these meetings.
we ask al rahi and Suleiman to be patriotic and think of \Lebanon as a country, not as a farm.
if m8 does not want to abide by decision agreed upon, what is the need of any dialogue? a dialogue meeting to cover murderers and thieves is not acceptable.
26 December 2012, 10:29
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March 14 are behaving like spoiled children. They want huge concessions even before the talks begin. As a minority party they have no right to demand anything except talks. Instead they hurl insults and lies.
What will happen even if March 14 wins the government? Are they going to attend parliament or cower as they do now? If March 14 are so adamant about their position they should withdraw from parliament and go to elections.
26 December 2012, 10:44
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it is the other way round boy: m8 needs to understand they cannot impose anything anymore, and their weapons will not aid them to impose anything.
26 December 2012, 10:57
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@ geha
Last I looked the M8 coalition still stands despite the tricks and cowardice of M14.
M14 especially the Future Party has shown that they are hypocrites and care not about the people of Lebanon.
As Lebanon faces a world wide economic crisis and civil war on its' borders M14 resorts to divisive, destructive behavior.
26 December 2012, 11:23
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@mckinl
- are you sure that m8 or m14 are standing? for my point of view: they are both on their knees.
- m14 and m8 do politicians do not care about the people.
- Lebanon is facing the current economic disaster due to the policies of this cabinet mainly by alienating everybody (thus no tourism), their failed policies(alienating all employees), driving any potential investment away (through blocking airport road and threats of kidnapping), .... and please do not forget how much they are currently stealing from you and me....
26 December 2012, 10:34
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1) the opposition does not constitute the majority. the majority has the upper hand in the decision, not the other way around.
2) the majority's proposal is to dissolve the present government only after national dialogue, to prevent vacuum.
3) enough of the political instrumentalisation of resolution 1559 and STL! it is clearly an instrument, not a means to reach justice. it is used by M14 and esp by its usual backers incl. non democratic Saudi Arabia.
Lebanese parties shld start looking inwards, not outwards to resolve their issues, find consensus, build renewed trust and let go of their lust for absolute power.
enough of the obsessions, diabolisations, destructive behaviors.
26 December 2012, 10:46
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if m8 are the majority let them do without m14!
why do you want m14?
when m8 will realize they are not the majority, and they need to compose with m14, then we will see some improvement in the country.
26 December 2012, 11:37
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you are not entitled to Christmas wishes as you are not Christian :)
which brings us to the following: then you must agree with me in saying that m8 needs to compose with m14 if we are to see any improvement in this country?
27 December 2012, 07:25
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The issue is not majority and minority. The issue is that Lebanon’s government is controlled by Hezbollah (thanks to the backing of Aoun) and Hezbollah is undermining the very existence of a strong government that can bring about stability and prosperity to the Lebanese. The agenda of Hezbollah is not the rise of the Lebanese state but the rise of the Iran, Syrian, and Hezbollah axis.
This is why our best politicians and leaders are being killed, or obliged to live in exile; this is why the state cannot exercise its control over the areas dominated by HA; this is why HA does not provide the suspects to the justice; this is why HA does not accept that our army remove the arms of all the pro Syria militias (including the Palestinians).
27 December 2012, 07:25
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M14 are not merely instrumenting the STL, 1559, 1701, and militias weapons. They are pursuing the only viable option for Lebanon, which is strenthening the state.
As to non democratic or Wahhabi Saudi Arabia, yes M14 seeks its backing as much as that of the US and France. Remember that M14 faces M8 who is shamelessly backed by tyrannical regimes that show no respect whatsoever to our state institutions.
26 December 2012, 10:35
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1) the opposition does not constitute the majority. the majority has the upper hand in the decision, not the other way around.
2) the majority's proposal is to dissolve the present government only after national dialogue, to prevent vacuum.
3) enough of the political instrumentalisation of resolution 1559 and STL! it is clearly an instrument, not a means to reach justice. it is used by M14 and esp by its usual backers incl. non democratic Saudi Arabia.
Lebanese parties shld start looking inwards, not outwards to resolve their issues, find consensus, build renewed trust and let go of their lust for absolute power.
enough of the obsessions, diabolisations, destructive behaviors.
26 December 2012, 10:52
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u really dont understand anything abt politics huh geha?
we're not talking abt m14/m8 dichotomy.
we are talking abt how things look on the ground now:
m8 are joined by centrists and thus form a majority in this point of view. the majority in this sense does not want resignation and wants dialogue. the minority which is confined to m14 (and even phalange party seems to want to break loose and embrace majority, but for some odd reason has cold feet) is behaving like a spoiled child, hoping that its masters will assist them and/or waiting for assad to leave so that the tables turn. however, assad leaving does not = their expectations. assad leaving = more chaos next door... and so on and so forth...
26 December 2012, 11:25
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@freemind
last time I checked, m8 does not have the majority to pass an electoral law.
if they think they can, then let them pass it!
otherwise they need to concede to m14.
26 December 2012, 10:22
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March 14 is a minority party. As a minority in government it has no right to set preconditions for talks.
If March 14 is so adverse to talks then they should withdraw from parliament and cause new elections.
The Future Party has been shown to have breached the Baabda Declaration as Saqr admitted arming jihadists in Lebanon.
Instead of seeking common ground March 14 hurls insults and makes huge demands even ahead of any talks.
March 14 continues to throw tantrum after tantrum in the face of sincere efforts to bridge differences and mend relationships.
March 14 wants to have its' cake and eat it too. Meanwhile the political crisis in Lebanon is polarizing the public and crippling the economy.
26 December 2012, 10:47
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if your comment is right and m14 is the minority and m8 is the majority, so why do you need m14? :)
26 December 2012, 10:59
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As Lebanon faces extreme crisis the country will demand that the current government carry on without M14.
Committee chairmen will be replaced and party defections from M14 will collapse M14 and Future along with it ...
26 December 2012, 11:28
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you are dreaming :)
you just proved how much you understand anything about politics :)
I challenge m8 to do what you are proposing and we will have a civil war on our hands.
your proposal is simply a suicide attempt by m8.
26 December 2012, 11:44
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@geha
Just how many M14 chairmen do you think the next government allow? No chairmen ... boycott all you want ...
27 December 2012, 07:36
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M14 is a minority, it has no right to set preconditions neither is it obliged to participate in talks. As a democracy M14 have the constitutional right not to participate in parliamentary works.
Assuming that Saqr have been arming the FSA (it has yet to be proved by justice) what about HA support to the Syrian government? You have to be fair and not one sided my friend!
M14 seeking common ground. This is a joke. Remember when Saad H was PM, he extended his hand to everyone, he even went to Syria more than one time, he formed a national unity government.
M14 seeking tantrum after tantrum. Of course! How many of their leaders and politicians have been decimated or obliged to live in exile.
All M14 can do is take this stance as Lebanon government is blatantly controlled by a militias armed to the teeth that undermines the rise of the institutions in order to keep Lebanon under the control of the Iran Syrian tyrannical axis.
26 December 2012, 10:44
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on another note, regarding RH assassination, one of the most basic questions in criminal investigation: who had the most to gain out of it? the syrians/hezballah? really? not so sure...
this is what we were made to believe. perception is stronger than reality and can give rise to unprecedented mass movements as we saw.
what preceded the assassination and what followed? whom did it benefit not to have the syrian army in lebanon in July 2006 to eradicate their sworn enemy who humiliated them in 2000? who said that the July war would help implement the 1559 resolution, when they themselves breach all UN resolutions?
dont get me wrong: i am happy that the syrian army is not in leb anymore. and i want hezb arms to reintegrate our regular army.
but if the STL was not an instrument and was a means to truth it would look southwards.
26 December 2012, 11:31
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you need to understand that the weapons of hizbushaitan have lost any credibility with a lot of Lebanese, thus they represent a threat.
Lebanon can only be governed through consensus, and anything short of that will result in a major civil war.
26 December 2012, 11:41
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That's the position M14 is putting Lebanon in ... another civil war. And guess what ... although nobody will win M14 will lose. M14 enjoyed increased support after Oct 19 ... but through their behavior are now in desperate shape in the next elections.
The current coalition will defeat M14 badly and will not allow chairmen from M14 circumventing another boycott of parliament governance. M14 has cooked its' own goose.
26 December 2012, 11:45
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that is exactly the attitude of m8.
fine with me, so let m8 go through the elections and let us see the result :)
if they are so confident, then why bother have any talks? let us move on to the lections according to the existing law :) funny.....
26 December 2012, 11:51
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@ geha
Napoleon once said “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
And M14 is digging their hole deeper and deeper. At the rate they are going they will not have a chance ...
26 December 2012, 11:56
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again: fine with me. let us go to the elections and see the results.
26 December 2012, 11:59
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you bypassed my comment and started talking abt hezballah's weapons again. this shows and confirms my comment that the STL is just an instrument to eradicate hezballah. if this is not a call for war, what is?
their weapons lost credibility because M14 campaigned with the help of the US, Saudi, the West (and non nominally Israel) to do so.
The US's dream is to create strife btw Sunnis and Chias... and some people are falling in the trap.
26 December 2012, 12:10
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I avoided going into your rhetoric because it is useless to make you see the reality of things, but since you insist:
- hizbushaitan is at the orders of iran which is not even a member of the arab league.
- Lebanon is a founding member of the arab league.
if you are able to understand what that means, you will understand that hizbushaitan cannot survive even if it takes a million years.
hizbushaitan is a tool in the hands of iran, and their weapons are Iranian weapons, thus a threat to all arabs and Lebanon in particular.
26 December 2012, 12:16
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i am talking abt israel, u r talking abt iran... whatever...
it is not rhetoric, it is a central question and issue when it comes to STL.
and hezb might have patrons, as the other parties do(saudi, us, ...); but it is foremost lebanese.
26 December 2012, 12:25
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Israel is not the issue here, and please do not even bring it into the conversation :)
hizbushaitan is not mainly Lebanese :) no it is Iranian. and that is the main difference.
until you see this reality, it is better we do not discuss this matter.
26 December 2012, 12:31
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of course israel is central geha. of course it is, and will be. if you dont see that, i am really sorry for you!
please reread what i wrote abt RH assassination and the instrumentalisation of the UN resolution 1559 and the STL.
how more central can it be, and how little attention it is given!
please tell me how hezb started. just answer that question. its very simple.
26 December 2012, 12:24
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@ geha:
if u obsess too much abt one thing (ie hezb), you dont see the whole picture.
this threat 'threatens' me more than hezb in leb: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2012/al-monitor/jabhat-al-nusra-lebanon.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
26 December 2012, 12:45
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it is a waste of time to discuss with you!
Israel subject is non existent if hizbushaitan weapons do not exist.
26 December 2012, 12:57
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LOL
the reason why hezb came to being is israel. israel is the reason for hezb weapons in the first place. you have a funny way of turning things around like the FM and M14.
ok lets say hezb has no weapons, our army is as it is weak etc etc. and we have a huge number of armed palestinians who dream of returning to israel... what were u saying? israel subject is non existent if... ??
i mean it is so intricate that u cannot treat hezb weapons in such an obsessive blind way.
let me return the compliment: it is a waste of time to discuss with you dear Geha.
and as u can see, twice you cut the discussion short with me. and this happens all the time with M14 people. it is a common trait.
not of analysis and open mindedness i am afraid.
26 December 2012, 13:02
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a real analysis takes all the elements in the region into account, and israel is a central piece of the puzzle. dismissing it is turning a blind eye to the core of the problem, and therefore cannot bring about a real solution. so next time you turn on your hard drive, put in some new software and broaden your RAM and capacity. :)
27 December 2012, 08:32
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I would like to ask a simple question.
Let us assume that tomorrow Israel ceased to exist, would Hizballah immediately disarm, as their raison d'etre of keeping the weapons is that Israel occupies Lebanese soil.
Without Israel what would be their reasoning / excuse?
26 December 2012, 13:25
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HA and HAMAS are terrorists organizations created by who? I know HAMAS was created by Israel to spite the PLO. HA you need to fill in the blanks.
26 December 2012, 16:46
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of course, Hamade is right.
Suleiman doesn't want to rock the boat. I mean, the Hezb boat.
27 December 2012, 01:28
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Should I agree with the nobody Hamadeh or with the rotten 7amido wa7ad shay Fatfat? One snaps back at Suleiman while the other one snaps up to him. March 14, my compatriots, why do I get the idea that you are led by a dozen or so mules, each with two heads instead of a head and a butt? Or is it that in your case the head and the butt are equally stuffed?
