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Of course I believe in Freedom of speech, but i mostly believe i respect and politeness toward those who refuse to criticize us: Mr.Geagea has been criticizing the church boldly while this same church helped him get out of prison, gave him the land where he built his castle (form the money he stole from the Christian community during the war might i add) and supported his political stances for years. So since comparing Raii to Wiaam wahab and not the pope or the Orthodox patriarch is disrespect, and since disrespect is abuse of freedom, the man is trespassing and will be severely punished during the elections. If freedom is a right abusing of it is a crime.

What you conveniently chose to forget the incident precipitated by the LBC poltical humor program that dared to satire Sayed Hassan? Please say it ain't so FT...
Freedom of speech is freedom of speech for everyone and no one has the right to decide who can and can not criticize. Selectivity is not a tenet of democracy or M14 only of dictatorial M8 and it's followers. How dare you set yourself as judge, jury and executioner of who may or may not express their opinion be that person Geagea or someone else. Ya 3abishoom!

wlek ya FlameThrower I am an veteran of the LF and a fervent supporter of Geagea but I tell you this: Bkeriki is holy and the Patriarch is my spiritual leader and if I meet him I will kneel and kiss his ring (I'm being sarcastic, I mean it). But I must be allowed to respectfully disagree with his politics. I cannot follow a religious leader blindly ya 3ammé! I must form my own opinion.

I meant to write "(I'm NOT being sarcastic ...)"

Jabal anyone who wishes to criticize the PAtriarch can do it in private not using Mtv! would you go out on the roof to criticize ur father? and honestly do you really think that VAtican, Bkerkeh, Greeka and Russian chruch, Greek Catholic church... are all worng by fighting the Takfiris scheme for kicking the christians out of their lands, and geagea is right by teaming with the Takfiris?? come on, stop following him blindly

Kesrweneh this is where I see things differently. It is OK to criticize the Batrak's policies in a respectful manner. We don't want to attack his character or his integrity or his position. If anyone does that I would reject it, regardless if it is the Hakim or anyone else. It simply goes against my values.

I do believe that Bkerke's current position vis-a-vis the Syrian crisis is putting the Christians in Syria and Lebanon at risk. Here's why: I think that the Assad regime is gonna fall. I think this it is inevitable. When, I don't know, but there will be a regime change and there will be an Islamic component in the new regime or government. We don't want the new government to look at Christians as the ones who supported the old regime - and by extension the slaughter that is currently ongoing in Syria.
The Christians are fundamentally weak in the ME and we have to tread very carefully. Any misstep could spell disaster for us.

Jabal in Iraq, Egypt Lybia christians did not take sides and still they were prosecuted by the takfiris just for being christians (btw this is why they are takfiris), so no matter what if the takfiris win we're in deep Sh... this is what Vatican the orthodox church and Bkerkeh is forseeing.
and Slash man please do some anger management u seem to be always tensed and angry, regarding the sunnis I am not against them (in fact some of my best Friends in FPM are sunnis) I am against takfiris no matter their religion christian, shiaa sunni...

FT: What makes you think that Geagea is appointed for life? I will be a fervent supporter of Geagea as long as he is does a good job, i.e. as long as his words and actions are compatible with my political beliefs. If he deviates from that he'll lose my support.

In matters of faith I have nothing but respect for the Batrak. I just don't subscribe to his political beliefs. I cannot "follow" him as you advise me to do. This is not a matter of faith but a matter of politics. The Batrak is not a party.

Sure, mistakes were made within the LF and by the Hakim throughout the years. You can put any labels you want on him, but I know what kind of a man he is. 30-something years ago we were young, nervous soldiers facing war for the first time. Samir was not known back then. He took good care of us. You don't forget things like that.

Peace: FPM is and will always be a laic party and will always want a secular country. However till this happens we are bound to protect any Lebanese community from the attacks of the others. When the Shiaa where being bashed by Wahhabis we defended them politically, now that the Christian community is attacked by Takfiris (Wahhabis and 2ekhwan) and their minions (Geagea, Soueid...) we are doing the same this time supported by Bkerkeh and the Vatican

religion is a private matter but you are all making it public... that s what i m saying... you criticize sfeir because in your eyes he was M14, if that is keeping religion private you d better find another definition...

religions are the root of all evils because they are manipulated for the sake of politics and this from their beginning right after the prophets died!
and in lebanon just read the posts and you ll see how much they divide people for nothing as there is only ONE god.

i don t care the way to praise him, the important thing is to praise him, so for me religions are useless and dangerous!
for me the pope is only the CEO of a big company and the patriarch just one of his managers...

FT As usual, your de-jour definition of secularism is selective and not fully correct. Secularism seeks to dissociate religion from civil matters altogether and your definition implies that as long as people are religious in private and abide by civil law then they are secular but if they are not religious or atheist then they are not secular. Secularism is total separation of church/mosque and state and a secular democracy seeks to protect the rights of those who do not believe in religion just as much as those who espouse religious beliefs, maybe even more so.
Vladimir Lenin may have been wrong most of the time but he was spot on when he declared "Religion is the opiate of the masses".

Scientific research advanced despite the church not because of it. Remember what the church did to Galileo Galilei when he insisted on the fact that the each was actually the celestial body that rotated around the sun and not vice versa?
Here is where you should keep your religious views to yourself (private as you said) and not lecture others.

Jabal I understand your frustration with Mark and agree that he is attempting to instigate something by overstepping PC limits and bala akhlé2. Regardless, he does have the right to say what he believes in without being rebuked like that. Just ignore him.

You're right lebnanfirst but that brat got on my nerves. Let him rant.